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		<title>By: Eddie</title>
		<link>http://universitydiary.wordpress.com/2012/08/31/how-to-destroy-britains-international-reputation-for-higher-education/#comment-20534</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eddie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 13:55:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[RGU VC below: &quot;Come on Eddie, this is nonsense. There is no ‘large funding gap’ in Scotland – unlike England&quot;
Which mean a medium funding gap?  There is funding gap!

Please refer to THE, 11th August 2011(http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/story.asp?storyCode=417093&amp;sectioncode=26)

Mike Russell:
&quot;I believe...an additional £100 million for higher education in Scotland is what we need ... to close that gap,&quot; he said. This sum is reached &quot;after you take off various things&quot; such as additional income raised from charging students from the rest of the UK, which the document calculated will raise between £41 million and £74 million.
Mr Russell stressed the difficulty of calculating the scale of any gap, since it is unclear how the new English market will work in practice&quot;

Hence Scottish universities fought like alley cats in August to get hold of as many English students , chasing them as hard as possible as they could,  because each English student comes bearing a cheque for £9K per year for 3/4 years. so as to raise the millions Mr Russell refers to.

It appears Australia and Canada .are interested too.  Well competition cannot be bad. Australian weather indeed!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RGU VC below: &#8220;Come on Eddie, this is nonsense. There is no ‘large funding gap’ in Scotland – unlike England&#8221;<br />
Which mean a medium funding gap?  There is funding gap!</p>
<p>Please refer to THE, 11th August 2011(<a href="http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/story.asp?storyCode=417093&#038;sectioncode=26" rel="nofollow">http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/story.asp?storyCode=417093&#038;sectioncode=26</a>)</p>
<p>Mike Russell:<br />
&#8220;I believe&#8230;an additional £100 million for higher education in Scotland is what we need &#8230; to close that gap,&#8221; he said. This sum is reached &#8220;after you take off various things&#8221; such as additional income raised from charging students from the rest of the UK, which the document calculated will raise between £41 million and £74 million.<br />
Mr Russell stressed the difficulty of calculating the scale of any gap, since it is unclear how the new English market will work in practice&#8221;</p>
<p>Hence Scottish universities fought like alley cats in August to get hold of as many English students , chasing them as hard as possible as they could,  because each English student comes bearing a cheque for £9K per year for 3/4 years. so as to raise the millions Mr Russell refers to.</p>
<p>It appears Australia and Canada .are interested too.  Well competition cannot be bad. Australian weather indeed!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Eddie</title>
		<link>http://universitydiary.wordpress.com/2012/08/31/how-to-destroy-britains-international-reputation-for-higher-education/#comment-20530</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eddie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 12:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot; know I shouldn’t feed the troll, but I do want to ensure that what Eddie passes off as ‘facts’ are not taken as such by others reading this. I do not know, and for these purposes do not much occupy myself with, what happened in London Met&quot;

Troll? indeed for disagreeing with you when you post an article which is sheer nonsense.  

First ,you used London Met to attack UK immigration. :Your hatred  to them goes back to several months, when you attacked the UK immigration and UKBA, for asking RGU to follow a protocol that meant that you have to go through processes to approve RGU as the highly trusted  institution for non-EU visa purposes, which you did not like. At that time, you suggested Scotland should have its own immigration department, independence etc..

Second, to show how deluded you were:/are: the non-EU students that Scottish universities recruit-a large number of them after graduation or even when they drop  out head towards England.  I bump into  Scottish and RGUs,non-EU graduates /MBAs in London and parts of England, as there are a number of them looking for work.  Hence what concerns RGU, and other Scottish universities also matters to UKBA and UK immigration as it has effect on England, and other parts of UK too..

Your self-styed leadership of HE, and about your RG -related pronouncements ( you do not like them having called them as &quot;cartels&quot; before) , shows how much  pure rhetoric is there.  You say recruitment is left to universities, which means a number of aspects .. I leave it at that.  But we know how these Scottish universities fought to get their hands on English students&#039; fee this year.  If they were well funded, then why seek English students?

Sadly for you, if polls are to be believed, Scots will not  vote for independence.  Hence SNP to prevent egg on their faces, is interested in DevoMax as a second question, which is opposed in the rest of the UK, and by all UK parties.  You have to live with UKBA and UK immigration for a considerable time!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; know I shouldn’t feed the troll, but I do want to ensure that what Eddie passes off as ‘facts’ are not taken as such by others reading this. I do not know, and for these purposes do not much occupy myself with, what happened in London Met&#8221;</p>
<p>Troll? indeed for disagreeing with you when you post an article which is sheer nonsense.  </p>
<p>First ,you used London Met to attack UK immigration. :Your hatred  to them goes back to several months, when you attacked the UK immigration and UKBA, for asking RGU to follow a protocol that meant that you have to go through processes to approve RGU as the highly trusted  institution for non-EU visa purposes, which you did not like. At that time, you suggested Scotland should have its own immigration department, independence etc..</p>
<p>Second, to show how deluded you were:/are: the non-EU students that Scottish universities recruit-a large number of them after graduation or even when they drop  out head towards England.  I bump into  Scottish and RGUs,non-EU graduates /MBAs in London and parts of England, as there are a number of them looking for work.  Hence what concerns RGU, and other Scottish universities also matters to UKBA and UK immigration as it has effect on England, and other parts of UK too..</p>
<p>Your self-styed leadership of HE, and about your RG -related pronouncements ( you do not like them having called them as &#8220;cartels&#8221; before) , shows how much  pure rhetoric is there.  You say recruitment is left to universities, which means a number of aspects .. I leave it at that.  But we know how these Scottish universities fought to get their hands on English students&#8217; fee this year.  If they were well funded, then why seek English students?</p>
<p>Sadly for you, if polls are to be believed, Scots will not  vote for independence.  Hence SNP to prevent egg on their faces, is interested in DevoMax as a second question, which is opposed in the rest of the UK, and by all UK parties.  You have to live with UKBA and UK immigration for a considerable time!</p>
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		<title>By: universitydiary</title>
		<link>http://universitydiary.wordpress.com/2012/08/31/how-to-destroy-britains-international-reputation-for-higher-education/#comment-20528</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[universitydiary]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 11:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know I shouldn&#039;t feed the troll, but I do want to ensure that what Eddie passes off as &#039;facts&#039; are not taken as such by others reading this. I do not know, and for these purposes do not much occupy myself with, what happened in London Met. I note that it strongly rejects the allegations, but I have no view on that. Nor do I argue that no steps should be taken if there has been abuse.

However, what UKBA has done is to undermine the UK as a whole as a destination for higher education, and if anything some of the Russell Group universities will be hardest hit by that (and that is their own judgement also). The prospect of legitimate, compliant students being deported is nothing short of lunacy, but is a real prospect - and more importantly, is being reported as a real prospect in other countries. &#039;Don&#039;t study in the UK&#039; is now a slogan being put about by our competitor countries.

As for Scotland, English and non-EU international students are outside the public funding envelope and therefore universities can make their own decisions about how many to recruit. But no university has lowered its standards or entry requirements for them.

The UK economy gets a huge cash boost from international students. It is right to keep a close watch on standards. But what the public agencies are doing as regards immigration and visa rules is madness. And that&#039;s the only message that matters here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know I shouldn&#8217;t feed the troll, but I do want to ensure that what Eddie passes off as &#8216;facts&#8217; are not taken as such by others reading this. I do not know, and for these purposes do not much occupy myself with, what happened in London Met. I note that it strongly rejects the allegations, but I have no view on that. Nor do I argue that no steps should be taken if there has been abuse.</p>
<p>However, what UKBA has done is to undermine the UK as a whole as a destination for higher education, and if anything some of the Russell Group universities will be hardest hit by that (and that is their own judgement also). The prospect of legitimate, compliant students being deported is nothing short of lunacy, but is a real prospect &#8211; and more importantly, is being reported as a real prospect in other countries. &#8216;Don&#8217;t study in the UK&#8217; is now a slogan being put about by our competitor countries.</p>
<p>As for Scotland, English and non-EU international students are outside the public funding envelope and therefore universities can make their own decisions about how many to recruit. But no university has lowered its standards or entry requirements for them.</p>
<p>The UK economy gets a huge cash boost from international students. It is right to keep a close watch on standards. But what the public agencies are doing as regards immigration and visa rules is madness. And that&#8217;s the only message that matters here.</p>
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		<title>By: Eddie</title>
		<link>http://universitydiary.wordpress.com/2012/08/31/how-to-destroy-britains-international-reputation-for-higher-education/#comment-20524</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eddie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 10:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Come on Eddie, this is nonsense. There is no ‘large funding gap’ in Scotland – unlike England – and no Scottish university has dropped its entry requirements for English students.&quot;

You are talking nonsense the same way you are talking nonsense in this article.  It may be a news to you that Scottish universities bent over backwards to get the 9K per year dosh from English students, and in doing so I know in many cases they dropped their entry requirements.  Why were they doing this?  To help the poor English cousins?  To help to get as much dosh as to pay for the hefty pay packets of VC and senior management?  There  were no caps for English student numbers , we were told in telephone calls.  You ask your friend Mr Russell about this why he let them to do this.

About your article.  Let us recall why the UKBA did what it did.  According to UKBA:1 One quarter of non-EU students sampled were studying at London Met without leave to remain in the UK. 2, the university could not demonstrate students were regularly attending classes in more than half of cases.

Prejudice is one thing, and facts are another, let the former not destroy the latter.

I realise that you do not want dissent, and this will be put on hold!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Come on Eddie, this is nonsense. There is no ‘large funding gap’ in Scotland – unlike England – and no Scottish university has dropped its entry requirements for English students.&#8221;</p>
<p>You are talking nonsense the same way you are talking nonsense in this article.  It may be a news to you that Scottish universities bent over backwards to get the 9K per year dosh from English students, and in doing so I know in many cases they dropped their entry requirements.  Why were they doing this?  To help the poor English cousins?  To help to get as much dosh as to pay for the hefty pay packets of VC and senior management?  There  were no caps for English student numbers , we were told in telephone calls.  You ask your friend Mr Russell about this why he let them to do this.</p>
<p>About your article.  Let us recall why the UKBA did what it did.  According to UKBA:1 One quarter of non-EU students sampled were studying at London Met without leave to remain in the UK. 2, the university could not demonstrate students were regularly attending classes in more than half of cases.</p>
<p>Prejudice is one thing, and facts are another, let the former not destroy the latter.</p>
<p>I realise that you do not want dissent, and this will be put on hold!</p>
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		<title>By: universitydiary</title>
		<link>http://universitydiary.wordpress.com/2012/08/31/how-to-destroy-britains-international-reputation-for-higher-education/#comment-20523</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[universitydiary]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 09:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Come on Eddie, this is nonsense. There is no &#039;large funding gap&#039; in Scotland - unlike England - and no Scottish university has dropped its entry requirements for English students.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come on Eddie, this is nonsense. There is no &#8216;large funding gap&#8217; in Scotland &#8211; unlike England &#8211; and no Scottish university has dropped its entry requirements for English students.</p>
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		<title>By: Eddie</title>
		<link>http://universitydiary.wordpress.com/2012/08/31/how-to-destroy-britains-international-reputation-for-higher-education/#comment-20507</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eddie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2012 12:47:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I should add, unlike scotland, English students, bring in £9K tuition fee/year.  It is Scottish universities who were haggling for English students (some dropping their entry requirements as they were speaking to students to get them in for their fees)+ non-EU students to fill in their large funding gap.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should add, unlike scotland, English students, bring in £9K tuition fee/year.  It is Scottish universities who were haggling for English students (some dropping their entry requirements as they were speaking to students to get them in for their fees)+ non-EU students to fill in their large funding gap.</p>
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		<title>By: Eddie</title>
		<link>http://universitydiary.wordpress.com/2012/08/31/how-to-destroy-britains-international-reputation-for-higher-education/#comment-20506</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eddie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2012 12:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The RG universities do not scour the students the same way all over the world.  Anyway, I feel that our universities are too many and we should cut down their numbers and their size.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The RG universities do not scour the students the same way all over the world.  Anyway, I feel that our universities are too many and we should cut down their numbers and their size.</p>
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		<title>By: universitydiary</title>
		<link>http://universitydiary.wordpress.com/2012/08/31/how-to-destroy-britains-international-reputation-for-higher-education/#comment-20504</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[universitydiary]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2012 12:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[On the contrary, the Russell Group university heads are taking exactly the same view on this as I am. And they face the same fall-out, as they&#039;ll tell you. Possibly more, as some of them rely more on international students than we do.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the contrary, the Russell Group university heads are taking exactly the same view on this as I am. And they face the same fall-out, as they&#8217;ll tell you. Possibly more, as some of them rely more on international students than we do.</p>
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		<title>By: Eddie</title>
		<link>http://universitydiary.wordpress.com/2012/08/31/how-to-destroy-britains-international-reputation-for-higher-education/#comment-20503</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eddie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2012 12:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well said.  I do think however that post92s scour the world for their students.   Every university-the post92s particularly want to call itself &quot;global university&quot;, and senior management of these universities including VCs, do not get hefty paypackets if they say, &quot;they want to recruit the best, and hence the numbers do not matter in so far as quality of students is maintained and if some departments close, as a result, that is the reality&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said.  I do think however that post92s scour the world for their students.   Every university-the post92s particularly want to call itself &#8220;global university&#8221;, and senior management of these universities including VCs, do not get hefty paypackets if they say, &#8220;they want to recruit the best, and hence the numbers do not matter in so far as quality of students is maintained and if some departments close, as a result, that is the reality&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Eddie</title>
		<link>http://universitydiary.wordpress.com/2012/08/31/how-to-destroy-britains-international-reputation-for-higher-education/#comment-20502</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eddie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2012 12:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just to add  again,re: HE reputation.  No one knows for example about RGU say in Midlands and down South, or in the rest of the world where top RG universities are  so well recognised. . London Met and others have similar recognition problem.  Hence I would not worry about the HE reputation at all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to add  again,re: HE reputation.  No one knows for example about RGU say in Midlands and down South, or in the rest of the world where top RG universities are  so well recognised. . London Met and others have similar recognition problem.  Hence I would not worry about the HE reputation at all.</p>
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