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		<title>By: Al</title>
		<link>http://universitydiary.wordpress.com/2012/07/30/what-should-universities-do-with-contact-hours/#comment-19693</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Al]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2012 17:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fantastic thread
Tip of the hat for all]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fantastic thread<br />
Tip of the hat for all</p>
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		<title>By: iainmacl</title>
		<link>http://universitydiary.wordpress.com/2012/07/30/what-should-universities-do-with-contact-hours/#comment-19666</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[iainmacl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 14:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[by the way, the &#039; in critique&#039;s is outrageous and goes to show that my android text correction has a good few glitches in it...not surprised given the relative size of thumbs to screen...apols for such horrors (or should that be horror&#039;s ! haha!)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>by the way, the &#8216; in critique&#8217;s is outrageous and goes to show that my android text correction has a good few glitches in it&#8230;not surprised given the relative size of thumbs to screen&#8230;apols for such horrors (or should that be horror&#8217;s ! haha!)</p>
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		<title>By: iainmacl</title>
		<link>http://universitydiary.wordpress.com/2012/07/30/what-should-universities-do-with-contact-hours/#comment-19663</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[iainmacl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 13:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[will try and dig out refs when back at work, Mike. though a bit of googling might find some. The study by the team at Glamorgan a good few years back now which looked at students (who had been signed in electronically in their classes) and their performance is an interesting one with a fair bit of stats behind it. The other research, originally from physics ed, is from the work of Hake et al on conceptual understanding, followed up by Eric Mazur, of course, and others...you might search on &#039;psuedo-learning&#039; for more recent updated links, esp to the critique&#039;s of Khan et al, which in many cases are similar to those of earlier online learning, video materials, TV, etc, more substantially made in work by Diana Laurillard in the past about the importance of feedback and interactive engagement....also the Threshold concepts work by Ray Land and colleagues and the ELT website at edinburgh university has a pile of stuff there....from large project funded by ESRC.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>will try and dig out refs when back at work, Mike. though a bit of googling might find some. The study by the team at Glamorgan a good few years back now which looked at students (who had been signed in electronically in their classes) and their performance is an interesting one with a fair bit of stats behind it. The other research, originally from physics ed, is from the work of Hake et al on conceptual understanding, followed up by Eric Mazur, of course, and others&#8230;you might search on &#8216;psuedo-learning&#8217; for more recent updated links, esp to the critique&#8217;s of Khan et al, which in many cases are similar to those of earlier online learning, video materials, TV, etc, more substantially made in work by Diana Laurillard in the past about the importance of feedback and interactive engagement&#8230;.also the Threshold concepts work by Ray Land and colleagues and the ELT website at edinburgh university has a pile of stuff there&#8230;.from large project funded by ESRC.</p>
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		<title>By: iainmacl</title>
		<link>http://universitydiary.wordpress.com/2012/07/30/what-should-universities-do-with-contact-hours/#comment-19662</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[iainmacl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 13:27:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[on this particular aspect, I think Leicester&#039;s relatively new Integrated Science course looks like a potentially really valuable contribution to curricular design and will be keen to see how it pans out in the longer term. So many students complain at registration in many institutions that actually they don&#039;t want the huge range of options on offer, they want someone to help them provide a coherent, worthwhile programme. Sadly, the known educational advantages over choice have been diverted towards choice of modules rather than something more complex but valuable, such as choice of forms of assessment which demonstrate attainment of specified outcomes/goals.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>on this particular aspect, I think Leicester&#8217;s relatively new Integrated Science course looks like a potentially really valuable contribution to curricular design and will be keen to see how it pans out in the longer term. So many students complain at registration in many institutions that actually they don&#8217;t want the huge range of options on offer, they want someone to help them provide a coherent, worthwhile programme. Sadly, the known educational advantages over choice have been diverted towards choice of modules rather than something more complex but valuable, such as choice of forms of assessment which demonstrate attainment of specified outcomes/goals.</p>
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		<title>By: James Fryar</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James Fryar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 11:55:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Provided we blog over lunch, the taxpayer can&#039;t complain! ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Provided we blog over lunch, the taxpayer can&#8217;t complain! <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: MunchkinMan</title>
		<link>http://universitydiary.wordpress.com/2012/07/30/what-should-universities-do-with-contact-hours/#comment-19659</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MunchkinMan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 11:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[...not to mention hours (or decimals thereof) spent on blogs addressing topics such as &#039;contact hours&#039;...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;not to mention hours (or decimals thereof) spent on blogs addressing topics such as &#8216;contact hours&#8217;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: James Fryar</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James Fryar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 11:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have no real issue with the idea of &#039;performance metrics&#039; for entire institutions or the academic staff within those. The reality is that any worthwhile &#039;metric&#039; is not going to be simple - it will be some complicated algorithm that folds in various parameters and generates an output. And, I hasten to add, I would expect that the data presented on the basis of that system would be held to the same academic standards as academics themselves. For example, what are the errors in the measurements, how do those propagate through the algorithm, what is the significance of the output, etc? That might not suit our mathematically-challenged politicans (or the Irish public for that matter) but anyone who honestly believes you can judge the performance of an academic on the basis of some nice, simple, single metric (like contact hours) either doesn&#039;t understand what academics do, or doesn&#039;t care. And it&#039;s that last bit that worries me.

As a physicist, I&#039;ve been trained to reach a conclusion, not on the basis of what I think, but where the evidence leads. What we are doing in relation to universities is the complete antithesis of that process. An assumption is being made (there is a problem, somewhere) and the chosen metrics are designed to reinforce that initial conclusion. The choice of &#039;contact hours&#039; exactly fits the bill - oh look, such and such an academic is earning such and such amount BUT only does this number of hours of teaching ... aren&#039;t you outraged by that? Of course one could argue that since more first class degrees are being awarded, we&#039;re exceeding previous preformance indicators (the number of students graduating with firsts) and therefore deserve a pay increase! No one likes that &#039;metric&#039; because it doesn&#039;t reinforce the preconception that something is wrong.

So I have exactly zero time for this sort of nonsense indicator. Fold &#039;contact hours&#039; in with &#039;hours spent on research&#039;, &#039;papers published&#039;, &#039;number of citations&#039;, &#039;research income&#039;, &#039;number of masters and doctorate students supervised&#039;, &#039;hours spent developing course material&#039;, &#039;hours spent on board meetings&#039;, &#039;hours involved in outreach activities&#039;, &#039;hours spent preparing for conferences&#039; etc and then, and only then, will I believe you have a performance indicator I recognise as being vaguely useful.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no real issue with the idea of &#8216;performance metrics&#8217; for entire institutions or the academic staff within those. The reality is that any worthwhile &#8216;metric&#8217; is not going to be simple &#8211; it will be some complicated algorithm that folds in various parameters and generates an output. And, I hasten to add, I would expect that the data presented on the basis of that system would be held to the same academic standards as academics themselves. For example, what are the errors in the measurements, how do those propagate through the algorithm, what is the significance of the output, etc? That might not suit our mathematically-challenged politicans (or the Irish public for that matter) but anyone who honestly believes you can judge the performance of an academic on the basis of some nice, simple, single metric (like contact hours) either doesn&#8217;t understand what academics do, or doesn&#8217;t care. And it&#8217;s that last bit that worries me.</p>
<p>As a physicist, I&#8217;ve been trained to reach a conclusion, not on the basis of what I think, but where the evidence leads. What we are doing in relation to universities is the complete antithesis of that process. An assumption is being made (there is a problem, somewhere) and the chosen metrics are designed to reinforce that initial conclusion. The choice of &#8216;contact hours&#8217; exactly fits the bill &#8211; oh look, such and such an academic is earning such and such amount BUT only does this number of hours of teaching &#8230; aren&#8217;t you outraged by that? Of course one could argue that since more first class degrees are being awarded, we&#8217;re exceeding previous preformance indicators (the number of students graduating with firsts) and therefore deserve a pay increase! No one likes that &#8216;metric&#8217; because it doesn&#8217;t reinforce the preconception that something is wrong.</p>
<p>So I have exactly zero time for this sort of nonsense indicator. Fold &#8216;contact hours&#8217; in with &#8216;hours spent on research&#8217;, &#8216;papers published&#8217;, &#8216;number of citations&#8217;, &#8216;research income&#8217;, &#8216;number of masters and doctorate students supervised&#8217;, &#8216;hours spent developing course material&#8217;, &#8216;hours spent on board meetings&#8217;, &#8216;hours involved in outreach activities&#8217;, &#8216;hours spent preparing for conferences&#8217; etc and then, and only then, will I believe you have a performance indicator I recognise as being vaguely useful.</p>
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		<title>By: MunchkinMan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MunchkinMan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 11:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think you&#039;ve hit it on the head when you identified &#039;...ill considered disaggregation of subjects into disconnected modules...&#039; and so forth.  This practice is widespread in many university u/grad programmes where there is little joined up thinking by the faculties that put together some bizarre combinations to suit the proclivities of those students mentioned by the above correspondent PhDs, Repeats, Research Ethics...etc.  The practice smacks of desperation by 2nd/3rd rate universities (that don&#039;t quite know what they&#039;re supposed to do or how to teach) to attract students who themselves don&#039;t quite know what to study - a Lose/Lose situation, if you will.  It would be better to learn from those universities that keep their u/grad programme degrees relatively simple, by offering focussed and tight combinations of subjects that are academically and conceptually compatible; this allows the student to integrate those study (transferable) skills that are so desired by prospective employers.  Add to that the cherry on the teaching cake, that of small class tutorials with engaging and inspirational teachers, and you produce students (by and large) that are rogorous thinkers and questioners, active doers, willing to push forward the frontiers of their subject, challenge conventional wisdom and so contribute to the learning and teaching process as well as to society.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;ve hit it on the head when you identified &#8216;&#8230;ill considered disaggregation of subjects into disconnected modules&#8230;&#8217; and so forth.  This practice is widespread in many university u/grad programmes where there is little joined up thinking by the faculties that put together some bizarre combinations to suit the proclivities of those students mentioned by the above correspondent PhDs, Repeats, Research Ethics&#8230;etc.  The practice smacks of desperation by 2nd/3rd rate universities (that don&#8217;t quite know what they&#8217;re supposed to do or how to teach) to attract students who themselves don&#8217;t quite know what to study &#8211; a Lose/Lose situation, if you will.  It would be better to learn from those universities that keep their u/grad programme degrees relatively simple, by offering focussed and tight combinations of subjects that are academically and conceptually compatible; this allows the student to integrate those study (transferable) skills that are so desired by prospective employers.  Add to that the cherry on the teaching cake, that of small class tutorials with engaging and inspirational teachers, and you produce students (by and large) that are rogorous thinkers and questioners, active doers, willing to push forward the frontiers of their subject, challenge conventional wisdom and so contribute to the learning and teaching process as well as to society.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Cosgrave</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Cosgrave]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 08:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Share those research references please Iain!

Lecture as content delivery or recital of facts is, IMNSHO, useless but I&#039;ve come to the view that what is useful is &quot;lecture&quot; as storytelling, because people make sense of experience by folding it into narrative. This is where the lecture as recounting the research process works.

The problem is that we&#039;re not all great storytellers, so we feel obliged to fill &quot;24 x 1 hour lectures&quot; with reciting facts. 

My problem with Bologna is twofold - the guidelines of 100-150 hours of work for a 5 ECTs module is hideously above what the OECD figures for a working year would give, and the emphasis on Learning Outcomes which are often behaviorist and therefore weak in the affective domain, which Bloom never really finished in as much detail but which is clearly very important for constructivist learning.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Share those research references please Iain!</p>
<p>Lecture as content delivery or recital of facts is, IMNSHO, useless but I&#8217;ve come to the view that what is useful is &#8220;lecture&#8221; as storytelling, because people make sense of experience by folding it into narrative. This is where the lecture as recounting the research process works.</p>
<p>The problem is that we&#8217;re not all great storytellers, so we feel obliged to fill &#8220;24 x 1 hour lectures&#8221; with reciting facts. </p>
<p>My problem with Bologna is twofold &#8211; the guidelines of 100-150 hours of work for a 5 ECTs module is hideously above what the OECD figures for a working year would give, and the emphasis on Learning Outcomes which are often behaviorist and therefore weak in the affective domain, which Bloom never really finished in as much detail but which is clearly very important for constructivist learning.</p>
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		<title>By: MunchkinMan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MunchkinMan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 06:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[..you could say, well, academic?  That is, of no practical relevance?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>..you could say, well, academic?  That is, of no practical relevance?</p>
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