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		<title>By: J R Berg</title>
		<link>http://universitydiary.wordpress.com/2012/03/13/the-elitism-of-a-new-mission/#comment-18793</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J R Berg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2012 17:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Fred. I misread your first post and assumed you were saying that they were preparing for a major REF setback, which of course surprised me. With that sorted, it makes perfect sense for York et all to join.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Fred. I misread your first post and assumed you were saying that they were preparing for a major REF setback, which of course surprised me. With that sorted, it makes perfect sense for York et all to join.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fred]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2012 11:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They (Russell) are preparing for an EXTREMELY strong performance. The dissapointment will be for everyone else. Probably York et al think it&#039;s good time to join the club because of that. I maybe wrong but after REF they will ask research funding to be directed to ....top 24 institutions only.
REF info: just discussion with fellow academics and knowing some of the Russell group universities requirements for their staff submissions.
@Anna, thanks for the comment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They (Russell) are preparing for an EXTREMELY strong performance. The dissapointment will be for everyone else. Probably York et al think it&#8217;s good time to join the club because of that. I maybe wrong but after REF they will ask research funding to be directed to &#8230;.top 24 institutions only.<br />
REF info: just discussion with fellow academics and knowing some of the Russell group universities requirements for their staff submissions.<br />
@Anna, thanks for the comment.</p>
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		<title>By: J R Berg</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J R Berg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2012 15:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If it&#039;s not a secret that the Russells are preparing for an REF disappointment why would York et al jump ship? I can&#039;t see the government changing how it dishes out research funding changing in any significant way. Also, just out of curiosity, where are you getting your REF info? Thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it&#8217;s not a secret that the Russells are preparing for an REF disappointment why would York et al jump ship? I can&#8217;t see the government changing how it dishes out research funding changing in any significant way. Also, just out of curiosity, where are you getting your REF info? Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Music for Deckchairs</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Music for Deckchairs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 23:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The curiosity is the brand strategy difficulty that both institutions and clubs get themselves into, in a general sense--so this is just a particular example. When everyone presents themselves as champions of the exact same value, the more meaningful brand differentiation is rather obviously achieved by the company you keep.  But drill down and you&#039;ll find that each member also has more or less the same language for describing their mission, because all universities elbowing for a seat at the top table use the same narrow vocabulary to describe what they do, and they&#039;re using this claimed similarity to cluster with others of the same aspiration. 

It&#039;s an open field for institutions who really want to try something different, so the interesting question is: why do so few have a go at this?  When I was a kid, we were taught the well-known game in which all questions and answers have to avoid particular words, and the winner was the one who could go the longest without saying &quot;Yes, No, Black, White, Grey&quot;.  Universities should try it with &quot;Excellence, Outstanding, Quality, Distinctive and Unrivalled.&quot; 

Who would be left?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The curiosity is the brand strategy difficulty that both institutions and clubs get themselves into, in a general sense&#8211;so this is just a particular example. When everyone presents themselves as champions of the exact same value, the more meaningful brand differentiation is rather obviously achieved by the company you keep.  But drill down and you&#8217;ll find that each member also has more or less the same language for describing their mission, because all universities elbowing for a seat at the top table use the same narrow vocabulary to describe what they do, and they&#8217;re using this claimed similarity to cluster with others of the same aspiration. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s an open field for institutions who really want to try something different, so the interesting question is: why do so few have a go at this?  When I was a kid, we were taught the well-known game in which all questions and answers have to avoid particular words, and the winner was the one who could go the longest without saying &#8220;Yes, No, Black, White, Grey&#8221;.  Universities should try it with &#8220;Excellence, Outstanding, Quality, Distinctive and Unrivalled.&#8221; </p>
<p>Who would be left?</p>
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		<title>By: Anna Notaro</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anna Notaro]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 13:31:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fred, I think yours is a very good point and the most likely explanation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fred, I think yours is a very good point and the most likely explanation.</p>
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		<title>By: thelearningprofessor</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[thelearningprofessor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 13:15:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The comments so far raise, if not always intentionally, the question of why universities in the UK decide to join a club at all. I don&#039;t think anyone seriously believes that the clubs were created with the purpose of attracting students; though in some circles mum and dad will be pleased if they can casually mention that wee Hamish is at a Russell group uni, most students neither know nor care. But university staff do care, and being in the Russell group can help attract certain types of job applicant with particular aspirations.

For the VCs, the most obvious reason is prestige, though of course the fact that it is obvious doesn&#039;t make it most important. Prestige is a positional good and only applies to the clubs. There can only be one &#039;top club&#039; in the UK, which is the Russell group. Those who do not belong will say that its members are outrageous elitists who are only &#039;top&#039; by their own definition. But actually, yes it&#039;s true, the 1994 group comprises universities that don&#039;t meet the rules for joining the Russell group, and would promptly apply if and when they do meet the criteria. 

The second main reason for joining, ie lobbying, was what inspired the Russell group in the first place. Other groups were formed because VCs were worried that their type of uni might miss out because the Russell group was bending the ear of ministers and civil servants. So Million Plus lobbies on behalf of one part of the sector, as do the other groups. 

Third, these alliances are also about networking and benchmarking. The VCs and other senior managers may spend part of their time congratulating themselves on how jolly splendid they are, but they are also sharing ideas, information and practices. I used to work at one Russell uni where a senior manager used to talk explicitly about negative benchmarks (Durham, amusingly, was one) that &#039;we do not want to be compared with&#039;. 

And much as I love listening to Brits bickering, we shouldn&#039;t be too parochial about this. Instead of fussing about England and Scotland, remember that there are also international alliances. These can be particularly important at the European level, where they can not only influence policy but also provide a platform for funding applications for research and so on. Those who can&#039;t see any further than the candyfloss will just assume that the VCs are off junketing, but again these alliances perform a number of functions apart from ego-stroking.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The comments so far raise, if not always intentionally, the question of why universities in the UK decide to join a club at all. I don&#8217;t think anyone seriously believes that the clubs were created with the purpose of attracting students; though in some circles mum and dad will be pleased if they can casually mention that wee Hamish is at a Russell group uni, most students neither know nor care. But university staff do care, and being in the Russell group can help attract certain types of job applicant with particular aspirations.</p>
<p>For the VCs, the most obvious reason is prestige, though of course the fact that it is obvious doesn&#8217;t make it most important. Prestige is a positional good and only applies to the clubs. There can only be one &#8216;top club&#8217; in the UK, which is the Russell group. Those who do not belong will say that its members are outrageous elitists who are only &#8216;top&#8217; by their own definition. But actually, yes it&#8217;s true, the 1994 group comprises universities that don&#8217;t meet the rules for joining the Russell group, and would promptly apply if and when they do meet the criteria. </p>
<p>The second main reason for joining, ie lobbying, was what inspired the Russell group in the first place. Other groups were formed because VCs were worried that their type of uni might miss out because the Russell group was bending the ear of ministers and civil servants. So Million Plus lobbies on behalf of one part of the sector, as do the other groups. </p>
<p>Third, these alliances are also about networking and benchmarking. The VCs and other senior managers may spend part of their time congratulating themselves on how jolly splendid they are, but they are also sharing ideas, information and practices. I used to work at one Russell uni where a senior manager used to talk explicitly about negative benchmarks (Durham, amusingly, was one) that &#8216;we do not want to be compared with&#8217;. </p>
<p>And much as I love listening to Brits bickering, we shouldn&#8217;t be too parochial about this. Instead of fussing about England and Scotland, remember that there are also international alliances. These can be particularly important at the European level, where they can not only influence policy but also provide a platform for funding applications for research and so on. Those who can&#8217;t see any further than the candyfloss will just assume that the VCs are off junketing, but again these alliances perform a number of functions apart from ego-stroking.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fred]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 20:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ferdinand I am afraid there is a chance you (we) are missing a point: why this happened? For the badge? Maybe. But maybe they see something comming or having other (inside?) info. It is not secret that Russell group universities are preparing their selfs for a major hit in the next REF. Maybe after this they will ask research funding to be directed to them only?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ferdinand I am afraid there is a chance you (we) are missing a point: why this happened? For the badge? Maybe. But maybe they see something comming or having other (inside?) info. It is not secret that Russell group universities are preparing their selfs for a major hit in the next REF. Maybe after this they will ask research funding to be directed to them only?</p>
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		<title>By: Eddie</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eddie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 09:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Except me, very few will be reading this article from my England patch as the postings in the past demonstrate.  I knew this article would appear, which is not a surprise in itself.  My friends did not care.  Hence the circulation is very limited to 1 person indeed.  It might resonate in SNP quarters though!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Except me, very few will be reading this article from my England patch as the postings in the past demonstrate.  I knew this article would appear, which is not a surprise in itself.  My friends did not care.  Hence the circulation is very limited to 1 person indeed.  It might resonate in SNP quarters though!</p>
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		<title>By: universitydiary</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[universitydiary]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 09:12:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well then Eddie, all I can say is thank you for giving this little known VC&#039;s views wider circulation :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well then Eddie, all I can say is thank you for giving this little known VC&#8217;s views wider circulation <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Eddie</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eddie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 09:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was expecting this article and said to a few friends that this VC  who has very little knowledge about English universities would jump up and down adding his views which not many  would notice any way.  Being in a post-92 with few recognise outside Scotland  but perhaps do in Chennai among the students who fail to get into universities in Chennai!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was expecting this article and said to a few friends that this VC  who has very little knowledge about English universities would jump up and down adding his views which not many  would notice any way.  Being in a post-92 with few recognise outside Scotland  but perhaps do in Chennai among the students who fail to get into universities in Chennai!</p>
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